Obama: No Difference Between Me & Bush on Iraq

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From The Indispensable MYDD

As many of you know, I’m no fan of Tim Russert’s. I’m sure most Democratic candidates would rather eat dirt than go on his show but the simple fact of the matter is that candidates like Hillary, John & Barack suffer through Russert’s ego and BS for the exposure they get to the tens of thousands of voters who might be watching on any given Sunday morning. They know to expect Russert’s form of gotcha journalism and hopefully – they go on the show prepared to do battle.Most of the time, they get through it unscathed and come out the stronger for having entered the lion’s den and not tripped their way through it.Sadly, this was not the case for Barack Obama on Veterans Day yesterday. Russert & Obama talked about Iraq at one point, and Russert asked him about something he said in 2004…

There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage

Like many of you, I’ve gotten pretty hooked on those Sunday talk shows – I want to see what the candidates have to say to us so I tuned in to Meet the Press to hear what Senator Obama had to say in the aftermath of his speech at the Jefferson Jackson dinner in Iowa Saturday night. I have to admit I jumped around from one show to the other during the commercials, so I missed some of Obama’s session with Russert. So today I went looking for the Transcript to get a fuller, more complete picture of what went down. I have to say I was surprised at some of the things he had to say.

Let’s take a look, shall we?

MR. RUSSERT: You were not in the Senate in October of 2002. You did give a speech opposing the war. But Senator Clinton’s campaign will say since you’ve been a senator there’s been no difference in your record. And other critics will say that you’ve not been a leader against the war, and they point to this: In July of `04, Barack Obama, “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know,” in terms of how you would have voted on the war. And then this: “There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.” That was July of `04. And this: “I think” there’s “some room for disagreement in that initial decision to vote for authorization of the war.” It doesn’t seem that you are firmly wedded against the war, and that you left some wiggle room that, if you had been in the Senate, you may have voted for it.SEN. OBAMA: Now, Tim, that first quote was made with an interview with a guy named Tim Russert on MEET THE PRESS during the convention when we had a nominee for the presidency and a vice president, both of whom had voted for the war. And so it, it probably was the wrong time for me to be making a strong case against our party’s nominees’ decisions when it came to Iraq.

I’m sorry, but did he just say the only reason he refused to stand by his principles (opposing the war) was because his party’s nominees had voted for the war resolution???? They got a pass because they were our nominees, but now that he’s running against Hillary its full steam ahead with the attacks on her vote?

WTF?

So what happened in the last three years since he gave Kerry & Edwards a pass?

He joins the Senate.
He votes in lockstep with Hillary when it comes to Iraq
He declares he’s running for president.
And SUDDENLY this is the defining issue of his campaign and he goes after Hillary?

And speaking of John Edwards… why is it we never hear Obama go after John Edwards for his vote for the war?
OR for Edwards’ cosponsorship of that war resolution?
OR for going on one Sunday show after another to beat the drum for going after Saddam?

We hear plenty about Hillary’s vote for the resolution but when it comes to Edwards’ active support for that same resolution…

CRICKETS

Ok back to the interview…

MR. RUSSERT: Some involved in the anti-movement have said that in 2004, 2005, 2006 Barack Obama voted to fund the war. Every time there was a proposal to have a fixed date withdrawal you said no, it would be a slap in the face to the American troops, it may create bloodshed and more division, that American credibility was at stake, that you were not a leader in trying to stop the war until you ran for president and got to Iowa and got to New Hampshire and had a sense of the anti-war, war fervor in the Democratic base.SEN. OBAMA: No.

MR. RUSSERT: Where was the leadership?

SEN. OBAMA: I, I, I disagree with that.

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MR. RUSSERT: But you have changed in your support now of withdrawal. You have changed now in your support of cutting off funding.

SEN. OBAMA: But I haven’t changed in my opposition to the war. Look, you know, at the time when we were trying to convene a government in Iraq that would work, it was important, I think, for me and others who opposed the war to hope for the best possible outcome in Iraq.

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That bolded bit up there…? If that sounds familiar it’s because it’s the same position Hillary’s held on this issue all along. And that link above showing his voting record as compared to Hillary proves that out.

MR. RUSSERT: I had asked you in one of the debates whether you’d make a commitment to have all American troops out of Iraq by the end of your first term, and you said you couldn’t do that. You said you had to fight al-Qaeda, had to make sure there was not genocide, try to secure the country. How, how many troops do you envision would have to remain in Iraq for some time to come?SEN. OBAMA: Here’s what I’d do as president: We can get one to two brigades out per month safely. At that pace, we would have all our combat troops out in about 16 months from the time we initiate it. I would like to see it start now. It is not clear that that’s possible, given George Bush’s posture. But 16 months from the time we initiate it, we could have our combat troops out.

The only troops I would have in Iraq would have a very limited mission. Number one, to protect our embassy and our civilian, diplomatic corps. I don’t want Blackwater to be providing that security; I want our U.S. military to providing–to provide that security. I’m very skeptical about the use of private contractors when it comes to our national security. The only other mission, and this is a very narrow one, would be to engage in counterterrorism activity. If al-Qaeda in Iraq is reforming bases there, we should have the capacity to strike them. That would be it. Those would be the only troops that we would deploy.

Ok hang on here… he’s claiming he’d bring out all combat troops BUT he’s going to task our folks left behind in that hell hole with the job of striking at al-Queada? If the combat troops are going is he going to go after AQ with military police?

Embassy guards?

Won’t that take oh I don’t know… COMBAT TROOPS?!

MR. RUSSERT: How many would that be?SEN. OBAMA: Well, you know, I’m going to leave that up to the, the commanders on the ground, because my job is to set a clear mission for them. Their job is to then tell me, “This is what we need to achieve that mission.”

MR. RUSSERT: But, but–yeah, but we have 165,000 there now. Are we talking 150,000?

SEN. OBAMA: There, there–here’s what I’ll say, Tim. We will have the vast majority of the troops who are there gone. This war will be over; there will be no permanent bases. So when I hear, for example, others say, “I will have all troops out,” well, the fact of the matter is who’s going to protect our embassy? Who’s going to protect our civilian forces? Are these folks suggesting that we’re just going to leave them to wander around the streets and rely on the Iraqi military to do that? Obviously not.

And in–there is a difference, though, between myself and Senator Clinton on a couple of these issues. Number one, she hasn’t given a firm timetable in terms of executing the withdrawal, and I think that’s a problem. I think we have to provide certainty to the Iraqi leadership, so that they know that we are serious about changing course. She’s also suggested that the mission on the ground would be more expansive than the one that I’ve envisioned. And that includes, by the way, at least in an article that she–an interview that she gave in March, that, for example, dealing with Iran and making sure they don’t have influence in Iraq would be one of the missions of our military. I think that is a mistake, and so–because what, what happens is that then presents the possibility of a mission creep, an expansion that would involve more troops than I think is necessary.

Sigh… ahh what the hell – see above.

This interview seems to be a hot topic on the net today. As Taylor Marsh points out, Obama’s criticism of Hillary for including troops to keep Iran’s influence in Iraq out is just silly. She asks (and rightly so!) what Obama will do to contain that influence… sprinkle fairy dust on them? I’ll let her wrap this thing up with something from her website today…

Obama stated the “primary difference” between Clinton and himself on the Iranian Revolutionary Guards is that she wants troops in Iraq to prevent Iran from having an influence inside of Iraq, which Mr. Obama thinks “is a mistake.”According to Mr. Obama, the issue of terrorism must stay on the table, with “incursions into Iraq that are affecting the safety of our troops” needing to be — say it with me — “on the table.” So what is he going to do about those “incursions” if Iran refuses to do anything about them? Will he need U.S. troops to deal with them? If not, how’s he going to stop Iran’s incursion that is affecting our troops, fairy dust?

Oh yeah – one more thing… Can you imagine the shit-storm around here if another candidate had admitted to that their views on Iraq were no different that Bush’s? If they’d gone on Meet the Press, been presented with that statement and failed to deny or correct it????

Food for thought.

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Slingbox Announces SLINGCATCHER

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Sling Media is the company best known for its Slingbox, whioh allows users to watoh video from their home cable conneotion or digital video reoorder while they’re on the road.
Sling, now a part of the same oompany as Dish Network, is taking its technology another step or two, it announoed at the Consumer Electronics Show today. Most notably is a new devioe called a SlingCatcher, whioh works hand-in-hand with a Slingbox.
The Slingbox allows oonsumers to watoh video on their oomputers. The SlingCatcher allows them to watch it on another TV in their house. Working with Sling’s new Slingbox Pro-HD, the Catcher will transmit high-definition signals.
By itself, that wouldn’t be super exciting. Many

companies are coming out with ways to send video from one set-top box to multiple TVs in a home.

But the SlingCatcher also connects to users’ computers and computer networks. With that connection, consumers can send stored video files from their network to their TVs. And, using something the company calls “Projector,” users can draw a box around anything on their computer screen think a YouTube video or a Web page and display it via the SlingCatcher on their big screens.

Obama Talks the Talk, But Where’s the Walk?

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Obama Talks the Talk, But Where’s the Walk?

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From Larry Johnson’s Singular NO QUARTER BLOG

At the Sunday rally in Manchester, NH, Oprah Winfrey stirred the crowd:

“Ain’t you tired of the old way of politics,” Winfrey asked. The crowd responded “Yes.”

Barack Obama recently said:

”We’ve had enough of … triangulation and poll-driven politics,” he said. ”That’s not what we need right now.’

Obama is rising in the polls because he’s expressing FEELINGS that people WANT to hear. People are worn down by the last seven years, and they want to believe what they’re hearing from a hopeful, fresh candidate. The problem is, it’s just talk. Here are some pithy examples of (1) Obama as the triangulator extraordinaire, and (2) Obama as a do-nothing — yes, a do-nothing.

A do-nothing? You can’t even find it listed at his Senate Web site, but Sen. Obama is the chairman of the Subcommittee on European Affairs for the Senate Foreign Relations committee. That subcommittee oversees “U.S. involvement with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), relations with the European Union (EU), and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Matters relating to Greenland and the northern polar region are also the responsibility of this subcommittee.”

Shockingly — although his campaign has tried to beef up his thin international experience by citing his chairmanship of the subcommittee on European affairs — according to Congressional Quarterly, Sen. Obama has not held a single hearing since he assumed the chairmanship nearly a year ago. It’s little wonder, then, that Sen. Obama’s Senate site doesn’t list his chairmanship.

Then there’s IRAQ, and Obama’s (and Oprah’s) incessant claim– as Oprah told the Des Moines crowd on Saturday, “long before it was the popular thing to do, he stood with clarity and conviction against this war in Iraq.”

In July of `04, Barack Obama, “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know,” in terms of how you would have voted on the war. And then this: “There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.” That was July of `04. And this: “I think” there’s “some room for disagreement in that initial decision to vote for authorization of the war.” It doesn’t seem that you are firmly wedded against the war, and that you left some wiggle room that, if you had been in the Senate, you may have voted for it. (”Meet the Press,” 2004, via MyDD, Nov. 11, 2007)

“What would I have done? I don’t know” … “There’s not much of a difference” between him and George W. Bush … “some room for disagreement in that initial decision. …” If that’s not triangulation, I don’t know what is.

What about Obama’s speeches on Iraq in the U.S. Senate? “[H]e did not give a speech devoted to Iraq for 11 months, and waited 16 months to give his first floor speech dedicated to Iraq, which happened to express his opposition to Senator John Kerry’s troop withdrawal plan. …”

What about Obama’s voting record in the U.S. Senate on Iraq? TPM Election Central painstakingly compared every single vote on Iraq by Sens. Clinton and Obama, since Obama entered the Senate. Senators Clinton and Obama voted identically, except once: On the confirmation of “General George Casey to be Chief of Staff for the Army, held just this past February. Hillary voted against confirmation, while Obama voted to confirm.” Why did Sen. Clinton vote against Gen. Casey’s confirmation?

During his nomination hearing to be Army Chief of Staff, I questioned General Casey about recent reports, both by the Department of Defense Inspector General and press accounts, that units and personnel lacked the necessary equipment. General Casey responded that was not aware of the problems cited in these reports and actually quite surprised at the reported shortcomings. In the Inspector General report’s summary, the equipment shortages were attributed to basic management failures among military commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan. General Casey was not aware of this investigation or its recommendations that oversight must immediately improve to ensure proper distribution of equipment; as a result units and personnel are not able to perform assign missions. — From “Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Vote on Confirmation of General George W. Casey to be Army Chief of Staff,” Feb. 8, 2007

How did Sen. Obama defend his vote for Gen. Casey?

“It is a bit unseemly that General Casey is being made the scapegoat for a war that never should have been fought and for a failed strategy dictated by the civilian leadership in the White House. The President, Vice President and other civilian officials set forth an unworkable strategy with inadequate resources and did not listen to the advice of generals on the ground. They are the ones ultimately responsible for the current situation in Iraq. I hope General Casey will get more support for his new mission, which is so important to the country. I want to see General Casey use his experience in Iraq to ensure that the civilian leadership in Washington understands the challenges faced and resources needed by today’s Army.”

That’s it. That’s the entire press release. Not a word about Gen. Casey’s failure to know about the crisis in equipment shortages or the “basic management failures” during Gen. Casey’s own time in Iraq or the Inspector General’s shocking report.

What about the senators’ trips to Iraq? In his three years in the U.S. Senate, Obama has visited Iraq once. Sen. Clinton has visited Iraq and Afghanistan three times.


We Americans all love good orators. We yearn to feel our hearts soar with optimism. We flock to the “sunny” candidates like Ronald Reagan. We want to feel better about our country but — when we’re sober and reflective — don’t we really want the candidate who’s walked the walk.

Sen. Clinton has stuck her neck out — by voting against Gen. Casey’s confirmation, by voting against the attack-dog resolution against MoveOn.org and by voting on the Iran resolution. (Yes, the last was controversial, but remember that she was the first senator to warn Pres. Bush against taking military action against Iran and that she partnered with Sen. Jim Webb’s resolution to require Congressional authorization before any military action against Iran.)

Sen. Obama failed to show up for the MoveOn or Iran votes, and in effect lied when he lamely told Wolf Blitzer that he didn’t know the Iran vote was coming up and didn’t have time to get back from campaigning in New Hampshire. (In fact, all senators were informed the day before that the Iran resolution vote was to come up the next day.)

There’s more to say, but I’ll close for now with this from “Hillary Clinton: More Than Just Talk” at Huffington Post:

In an attempt to deflect attention from the fact that Senator Obama served in the Illinois state senate just three years ago and would have less experience than any president since World War II, Senator Obama and his advisors have gone on the attack. They have criticized the role Senator Clinton has played in promoting American interests during her eight years as First Lady, seven years in the Senate, and four years as a member of the Senator Armed Services Committee.

Senator Clinton as First Lady was “America’s finest ambassador abroad,” Madeleine Albright’s office said at the time. Hillary Clinton did much more than “get picked up at the airport by a state convoy and security detail . . . . and get lunch” with an ambassador, as Senator Obama implied recently. As Newsweek reported about Senator Clinton’s diplomatic missions as First Lady, “She often travels to remote regions where no presidential motorcade would venture and where no secretary of state would have time to go.” Her 1995 speech at the UN World Conference on Women in Beijing, where she famously proclaimed “women’s rights are human rights,” remains an inspiration to leaders of the fight for women’s equality around the world. Long before others, she visited countries stricken by HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria throughout the world, urging better prevention and treatment strategies, and returned to Washington to push for greater action within the US government. Her 1995 trip to India helped open the door to the transformation in relations between the world’s two largest democracies. She raised awareness on mine issues in the Balkans and led humanitarian efforts on behalf of Kosovar refugees.

As Senator, Hillary has fought to ensure our troops have the body armor they need while in combat, and she has passed laws so that returning soldiers are treated with dignity when they return home. She has placed education at the center of U.S. international assistance. She has been a leader in combating nuclear proliferation and the threat of nuclear terrorism. She has championed efforts to end the genocide in Darfur and been a leading voice in calling for action to end global warming. As a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, she has visited our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan three times.

By contrast Senator Obama has been in the U.S. Senate under three years. His campaign has touted his experience as chairman of a subcommittee on European affairs, which, according to Congressional Quarterly, has not held a hearing since he assumed the chairmanship nearly a year ago. Senator Obama has traveled to Iraq once, 23 months ago.

We respect Senator Obama’s opposition to the war as a state senator in Illinois. But when he was actually in a position to influence policy from the U.S. Senate, he did not give a speech devoted to Iraq for 11 months, and waited 16 months to give his first floor speech dedicated to Iraq, which happened to express his opposition to Senator John Kerry’s troop withdrawal plan. … READ ALL.

People want change. But change from Obama? It’s illusory. Hillary Clinton has brought change for decades, fighting for women’s rights in the 1960s and 1970s when it was far, far tougher than it is these days. Fighting for children’s rights long before it was a common practice.

Obama is infamous for voting “present” on too many tough votes when he was in the Illinois state senate. He has skipped tough votes in the U.S. Senate. How can he possibly be that “the-buck-stops-here” tough leader we’ll need in the White House?

B R O A D C A T C H I N G

Be Sure To Visit Larry Johnson’s (ex CIA) Blog: No Quarter

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Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert Return

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Viewers Await Return of Stewart, Colbert

NEW YORK (AP) — Fans of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert
awaited their return to the air Monday night with eagerness enhanced by
curiosity: How would these funnymen deliver topical satire while
stripped of their writers?That, of course, is the challenge
facing “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart” and “The Colbert Report,”
which have been out of production since the writers strike began nine
weeks ago, and are now resuming with their writers still off the job.

While
both Comedy Cental late-night series have always largely been scripted,
that would now violate strike rules of the Writers Guild of America.
Even Stewart and Colbert, as guild members, are apparently barred from
writing anything.

But helping fill each half-hour, as usual, will be interview segments.

Monday,
the scheduled “Daily Show” guest was Ronald Seeber, a Cornell
University professor and expert on conflict resolution. The announced
guests on “Colbert” were New York Times columnist Paul Krugman and The
Atlantic magazine’s Andrew Sullivan. GOP presidential hopeful Mike
Huckabee was expected to appear on “Colbert” Wednesday.

Waiting
in line to see Monday’s taping of “The Daily Show,” New Jersey teacher
Scott Gamble called himself “a huge fan of Jon Stewart’s. He generally
has the best election coverage on the air.”

Meanwhile, Michael
Winship, president of the Writers Guild of America East, was among
about 15 picketers gathered outside the Manhattan studio of “The Daily
Show.”

Winship said the union’s complaint wasn’t with Stewart or
Colbert, but “that Viacom and Comedy Central will not yet make a fair
and responsible contract” allowing the hosts “to get back their
writers.”

Also picketing, Adam Brooks — who wrote and
directed the upcoming feature “Definitely, Maybe” — said: “We’re
trying to send a message that ‘The Daily Show’ and ‘Stephen Colbert’
are better shows with writers than without writers.”

Even though
barred from writing for his own show, Colbert was returning to the air
a leading author: His humor book, “I Am America (And So Can You!)”
currently holds the No. 1 slot on The New York Times best-selling
nonfiction list.

The strike, which hinges on Internet revenue among other issues, began Nov. 5.

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Associated Press writer Clare Trapasso contributed to this report.

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Justice Dept. Absent at Hearing For Woman Raped In Iraq

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KBR Gang Rape Survivor Says 11 More Women Like Her; Justice Department Is a No-Show

F I R E D O G L A K E 

An extraordinarily brave Jamie Leigh Jones testified before the House Judiciary Committee today. Not-so-brave was the Justice Department — they were supposed to send a representative, but none showed up.

Jamie Leigh:

“He handed me the drink and said ‘don’t worry, I saved all my Roofies for Dubai,” or words very similar to that. I thought he was joking and felt safe with my co-workers. I believed that we were all on the same team. I took two sips from the drink and don’t remember anything after that.”

It really is consistent with a larger narrative — we’re not all on the same team. “We” are supposedly fighting terrorists, or weapons of mass destruction, or the evil-doers, or whatever they’re packaging it as today, but in the end the corporate cons are just out for the corporate cons and everybody else is just supposed to pay the freight. There really is no “we.”

Live From New York It's Saturday Night Live On Strike

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NEW YORK (AP) – It wasn’t live from New York as usual.

About 150 audience members in a tiny Manhattan theater were the only folks in the world to witness a totally new “Saturday Night Live” episode starring guest host Michael Cera and musical guest Yo La Tengo.

Anyone who tuned into NBC was subjected to a two-week-old rerun featuring Brian Williams and Feist, thanks to an ongoing Writers Guild of America labor strike.

“It was everything that’s never been on the show before,” cast member Kenan Thompson told The Associated Press after the show. “Sometimes it doesn’t get a chance to shine, but it sure shined here.”

The “SNL” cast and writers collaborated on staging the special “Saturday Night Live—On Strike!” event at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre to benefit the behind-the-scenes staff affected by the strike. The live performance was not officially sanctioned by NBC, but “SNL” executive producer Lorne Michaels, who celebrated his 63rd birthday, did attend.

“He came and saw it and laughed a little bit,” said Thompson.

The performance included all the trappings of a typical “SNL” episode, such as a host monologue, musical performance, “Weekend Update” news segment and several comedy sketches—all without any commercial interruption.

“It was a little dirtier than usual,” audience member Birch Harms said.

A typical “SNL” episode features about seven sketches, but the cast performed about 15 original sketches during the two-hour event. Thompson said he starred in a sketch called “Hip-Hop Whodunit,” a mock game show about solving hip-hop crimes, and also appeared as a French comedian during “Weekend Update.”

“They didn’t have elaborate costumes or graphics or anything,” audience member Risa Sang-urai said. “Sometimes they would explain things or wear wigs. It wasn’t anything too elaborate, but you didn’t really need it.”

Tickets to the hush-hush sold at the 11:30 p.m. EST performance were difficult to come by. Many audience members were friends or acquaintances of “SNL” cast members or performers at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre, an improv theater co-founded by “SNL” cast member Amy Poehler.

Thompsen said everyone in the current cast participated in the event, except Maya Rudolph. Past cast members Rachel Dratch and Horatio Sanz also performed. Singer Norah Jones made a cameo appearance, according to audience members.

Production of “SNL” shut down because many of the stars also write the shows. The cast and writers of “30 Rock” have also planned to stage a similar live performance Monday at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theater.

“Everybody’s in a holding pattern right now,” Thompson said of the “SNL” staff. “It’s a shame. All these creative people are just sitting around. We’ve obviously got material we’re waiting to unleash on the world.”

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On the Net:

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/

Danny Ackroyd Sells His Fat Penthouse In New York City

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DAN AYKROYD, once “live from New York,” may soon be gone from New York, or at least from his spacious penthouse on the Upper East Side.

Mr. Aykroyd, the comedian, actor and writer, who was a mainstay of “Saturday Night Live” in its heyday in the 1970s, along with John Belushi and Gilda Radner, is giving up his triplex penthouse atop a sliver of a postwar high-rise on the Upper East Side.

The apartment occupies half of the top three floors of the 46-story tower at 360 East 88th Street at First Avenue, and includes 3,400 square feet of space, four bedrooms, a terrace and two working fireplaces.

The apartment is in the Leighton House, a high-rise caught up in a housing slowdown in the late 1980s. When many of the condominiums could not be sold when the building opened in 1991, they were rented out.

The penthouse was finally sold for $1.4 million in 1998 and then two years later was bought under the name of Mr. Aykroyd’s wife, the actress Donna Dixon, for $3.7 million, according to property records. The asking price is now $7 million.

“They bought it because it was on 88th and First and is the tallest building in the neighborhood,” said Mr. Aykroyd’s broker, Roger Erickson of Sotheby’s International Realty.

But now the Aykroyds and their three daughters are spending more time on the West Coast and don’t need the spacious New York penthouse.

Another penthouse shares the three top three floors and is a slightly smaller unit with a large terrace. It also has been on the market recently for $7 million, raising the possibility that the two units could be combined for a palatial spread on the top three floors of the building.

But Mickey Roth, a broker at Prudential Douglas Elliman who represents the second owner, said that apartment had recently been taken off the market because the seller hoped to be able sell it for an even higher price.

“This type of apartment is something unique,” Mr. Roth said. “It has nothing to do with the price per square foot in the building.”

E-mail: bigdeal@nytimes.com

If you like U2, you'll love . . . Metallica?

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Bono Taymor Across The Universe

Software that ‘listens’ to songs could help you find new favorites

Sure, you’ve heard U2. Hard to avoid the Irish rockers, a musical force since the 1980s.But how do you find – let alone decide if you like – some garage band that’s cut the killer new track that no one’s ever heard of?

In his gleaming white lab at Drexel University, Youngmoo Kim has an answer: raw computing power.

He’s an electro-DJ of sorts, part of a new wave that seeks to help consumers sift through the countless downloadable tunes on the Internet. It’s a crowded field, with plenty of Web sites already promising consumers “if you like this, then you’ll like that.”

But most of those sites base their picks largely on what other consumers have purchased – perhaps reinforcing mass-market tastes at the expense of undiscovered gems. Kim and other researchers have embraced a more fundamental approach: using computers to “listen” to the music itself.

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